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Friday, June 10, 2005BATMAN BEGINS: MORGAN FREEMAN AND GARY OLDMAN
The Continuum continues its series of features on Batman Begins with a roundtable interview with Morgan Freeman (Lucius Fox) and Gary Oldman (Jim Gordon) from last weekend's press junket.
Following is an edited transcription of the roundtable interview, which started out in a very tongue-in-cheek fashion:
Question: Have you seen Batman Begins?
Freeman: Yes, I saw it the night before last, and I was really knocked out.
Question: What was it like working with Christian Bale? What is he like?
Freeman: Chris? Bale? Kind of a slimy character (Oldman laughs). Full of himself, you know, just, I don't know why.
Oldman:
Gary Oldman: Oh, you caught him on a good day, then (laughs).
Freeman: Oh, dear. You had to work actually with him, well, I guess we had the same amount of time.
Oldman:
About the same amount of time, but only he's in the mask, of course, when I work with him.
Freeman:
Oh, well, he must have been totally insufferable then (laughs).
Oldman:
At least you got him ... he didn't smell too good when I worked with him and he was in that suit.
Freeman: Been in that suit a while? I understand that when he was in that suit, sweat would just drip off of him whereever they had holes in the gloves or something.
Oldman: He would stand and there was like...
Freeman: A puddle.
Oldman: A puddle where it was just coming through his shoes.
Freeman: He worked hard.
Oldman: He did work hard.
Question: Were you fans of the franchise before getting involved with this project?
Freeman: Uh, Gary was (Oldman laughs).
Oldman: You can quote me on that.
Question: Gary, did you have an accident ... because of a cane?
Freeman: It's an affectation. He told me, that's what he said to me, it's just an affectation.
Oldman: I've become, I wanted to become very actor-y (laughs).
Question: This is a quieter role for you. Did you get notes from Chris Nolan from this or did you say that was how you wanted to play the role?
Oldman: It turned out like that. You know, I put it together in my kitchen, on the plane kind of thing. I learned the lines on the plane and got there and did the first scene and he said, "That's okay, I like that. Do it like that." Like we said earlier, sometimes directors feel like they have to justify that hat that they are wearing they've got on as a director, and they come in and they tweak and interfere, you know what I mean? Sometimes directors, they are jailers of your talent. They close you up. And being a good director is knowing sometimes when not to say something.
Freeman: Knowing a lot when not to say anything...
Oldman: Knowing a lot, yeah, and Chris just lets you kind of, you know, and he had such a vision of what he, I guess, such an overview of what he wanted that if you were kind of going off a bit, he would kind of nudge you back, but he didn't need to be busy.
Freeman: More like herding. "You are the actor, and I understand we already had our sit down, you explained your concept, your view," so I said, "Okay, I'm in your hands." That means that if you've got to nudge me a little bit to the right I move to the right, just from the pressure, weight, but you won't have to touch me at all. You can come and go "Okay, you want me over here a little bit more," so no pressure on us at all. That's easy to do.
Question: What is your personal process in shaping these characters? How helpful were the comics?
Freeman: Me first.
Oldman: Go ahead.
Freeman: I don't have to do anything. The character is shaped on the page. All you have to do is lift it off, and I didn't have to do anything at all, except decide whether you're going to shave or not shave, comb your hair one way or another way. Someone's going to put the clothes on you, and part of being an actor is wearing costumes. Costumes tell you an awful lot about who you are, so you just, it's nothing. I think basically, get out of the way if you can, right? That's my answer.
Oldman: Well, I went and lived in Chicago for a year, and I studied with the police academy. (laughs) No, ditto. No, the script is your map of the world, isn't it? And if it's well-written, you get all of the beats, it will tell you everything you need to know, and then Chris goes and hires a great costume designer, so you're not there for four days, turning, saying "No, that doesn't work, that doesn't work." She's got a great sense of how you might dress, so she offers up three jackets or a suit. Uou know what? I think I went with the first shirt and tie I think that I put on, and I went...
Freeman: This feels good...
Oldman: "We got it!"
Question: David Goyer said his mandate was to make it real. You're playing a scientist. So you've got a mouthful of stuff. How do you make it real?
Freeman: You make it real by learning it so that you don't have to think about it when you say it. That's all that's about. A scientist sounds like a scientist because the things that come out of their mouth don't stumble, that's all. If they say, "and the, um, a microwave, eh," you know, then you don't sound right, but if you can just get it out without stumbling then you're going to sound fine.
Question: Is there any kind of discipline working on a big juggernaut of a movie like this?
Freeman: Your job is always the same if it's a juggernaut or if it's just one of these little jewels of a film, so your job doesn't change whatsoever. You just give it your best shot.
Oldman:People talk about research, and at one time in my career I played a heroin addict. Now, I was not going to take heroin, I met people who had taken it and I hung out with people who had recovered from it. And I said to someone, "What's it like being on heroin?" Ten people had tried to explain it to me, and this woman said to me, "Imagine you spine wrapped in cotton wool." And I went, "I got it. Got it." Now I know how to act that. I know what that sensation is.
So when you ask that, it's because he's talented. It's something as simple as that.
Question: This is a franchise and obviously there are going to be sequels. Are you looking forward to jumping on for sequels?
Oldman: Yes. I would be happy to become Commissioner Gordon. I'm only a lieutenant at the moment. I'd like it if they made it a bit closer to home. I did 24 flights (to England). I would fly in and go to the set.
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